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PostSubject: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeSat Dec 20, 2008 4:12 am

Nandra has been approached and asked by a dalninil of quelllar Korali and asked if she could join quellar Morcane. IC I wasnt sure what all to tell her but it made me think of the vow Nandra makes people she accepts into quellar Morcane take...IC Nandra has warned this one of the possible consequences of leaving her current quellar for Morcane, so I thought I oughtta post something about it.

IC what should the response be here?

And its Amithrulia (not sure I spelled it right) Korali that asked Nandra about this.
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeSat Dec 20, 2008 10:43 am

I have moved this to General discussion. Everyone, please keep in mind this is strictly OOC, the only ones who should have IC knowledge of this would be Ami and Nandra (and anyone else who may have been present, but I doubt there was).

House jumping has caused issues in the past, mostly due to lack of discussion. I will bring this up to Talice ooc, perhaps we can even discuss it at the council meeting this weekend, Talice will be there. As usual I have know issue with people changing guilds, but IC we need to set up consequences based on an individual basis.
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeThu Dec 25, 2008 4:33 pm

i say dealt with very harshly. If something like that happens with a member of my guild they hunted down blackballed for a long time. useb everthing in power to extort them cause any lack of credibility, we ruined one guys reputation for a while because we caught him. thats how are race is. im not saying you cant just be prepared for consequences. loss of house mark on your head.
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeSun Dec 28, 2008 9:49 pm

Yeah it should be very harsh in not only in the house your trying to leave (probably viewed as a traitor) and not considered that trustworthy in the new house (after all you already spiked out on one house already) and after all your Drow so you could actually be just spying for the old house or sumthin......
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeMon Dec 29, 2008 2:25 pm

The IC harsh reality of it is not the issue, this known and agreed upon. The question posed is more for OOC stuff. For example, OOC people should have the right to choose or change there guild, but for Drow IC it's a more prickly than a porcupine. Here in is where Drow rp crosses swords with peoples fun, and there right to put there chars in what guilds they choose. This is why I brought it to public OOC attention, for the most part, how to handle it is between Talice and Nawen, but everyone should have some OOC knowledge of it, so no one steps on anyone toes IC because of lack of OOC info.
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PostSubject: NO NO NO NO   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeMon Dec 29, 2008 3:59 pm

This is a huge NO.

Drow house membership is for life.
if you want to join another drow house create another toon.

although to be honest i think that is also idiotic.

characters should not be allowed to have multiple drow toons in multiple drow houses as it only forces meta-gaming onto the drow population which was a big part of why drow rp has faltered in the last few months.

changing houses is even worse.

the player should be informed in no uncertain terms that this is not possible within drow society and not within TFR unless some very creative back-story can be arrived at and even with that the player's toon will be treated as crap on the sole of the boot of every other toon in their new house and never trusted with anything.

ooc drow rp is harsh and it should be represented properly otherwise go join house rahn, they will accept anyone as they should being ellistreans.
so the only proper option for a drow unhappy with their house is to:

1). join house rahn
2). leave the UD and become a lone operator (see drizz't)
3). role up a new toon (althgough imho this is cheese beyond reackoning).

\\i would be using my normal account but it seems it has become disabled for some reason.
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PostSubject: Traitors   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeTue Jan 06, 2009 5:34 pm

///well I would not accept a player from another house, one that was create by a player I knew as a spy for kor'ali that would be ok to join another house as a spy and when found out as they should be if the House still stands then let them join Kor'ali as they would have been all along.

but I agree if someone found the Time Zone or RP of a house they are in isnt to there Liking then we should go the route of the Kill that pc off as would Happen in Drow society if they turned Traitor and Give the player A new PC with Half the Levels and a Diff name and all +1 gear there is one thing for sure Vin'del Kor'a;i would take any weapon or wand He had Created for a traitor away armour would obviously be taken as its house armour and he'd have an Illithid take every thought from the Traitor Head.

House Jumping should not be Allowed unless its to Rahn but that should not be made easy ethier and House Kor'ali Rules are You Must not Have Another PC in Another Noble House, shebali or surfacers are ok but we must be informed of who they play as a surfacer so they get no information that might just possible be Metagamed this Was xXulls rule and it was Hades Rule for Joining as well.

This needs to be sorted out as now I feel i need to Meta Game Until it is settled on exactly how and under what circumstance a Drow May Or Not change Noble Houses. I would not like to be using House resources and my time to help lvl a character up to be poached by another house.


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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeTue Jan 06, 2009 5:38 pm

Yeah...a certian player some time back who played a yath'abban FS or Cleric char named Isandra Morcane left house Morcane for house Moriyhanda because, at the time, there were no active Morcane yathrin chars available to give Isandra the the ritual she needed to become a yathrin. So, Isandra turned to house Mori and becomes one of them. IC, it was then decided among the others in the house that Isandra should die and she was killed for turning away from house Morcane.

Isandra is no longer around.

And I have Nandra give any new house members upon her acceptance of them an oath of allegiance to both Lolth and the quellar with the penalty of death should they turn away from either Lolth or the quellar Smile
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeTue Jan 06, 2009 10:10 pm

I agree with all of yous points.....As for making another toon......I had same problem as isandra....In fact i was entirely abbandoned but shriae'dia. So i made "another" toon and joined another house untill it was decided that i lead. Now there shouldnt be any problem with this. For ive actualy kept ic for a small rp between Kor'ali and Mori'hyanda playing yath on both sides. This is where the problem lies....you cant jst start dual logging in for information, thats dumb. I mean when you been on this server for awhile you tend to make alot of toons till finally i actually made "one" surfacer...I joined another noble house cause my irl friends are in it and also because i couldnt access the mori boards to join my first toon and korali was the best way to go to make a high rank in any house at the time....now if the was a war id have to stick with the toon i play the most thats all ya have to do and keep crap you hear oooc like yer supposed to

A real example: playing my surfacer cause no drow where on i start in fae where there is a heated argument between the surfacers. Suddenly one starts calling the other a drow lover cause of his kor'ali friends......ooc im like who the hell is this guy but ic i said whos Kor'ali. Now i still have no idea who the guy is, and never bothered with my main toon to find out whos a heritic or anything bout the conversation.

I know alot of drow players have mains that they became bored with. So i say if you can keep things ic to each toon then so be it.....
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeTue Jan 06, 2009 10:16 pm

as for the one that wanted to leave korali it turned out to be cause i wasnt logging in for a bit so she thought she was abbandoned hehe oops
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PostSubject: Re: A Korali wants to join another quellar...   A Korali wants to join another quellar... Icon_minitimeTue Jan 13, 2009 1:47 pm

I agree with most of the posting so far.

Here is my point however.

Thrue drow quellar runs around real familly ties. This is not the case obviously in TFR, where we choose our "familly" after a short while.

So Nandra point is valid. You pledge Oath to Lolth and Quellar. Leave one or the other and you should die.

1) Leave Lolth and join Ellistrae = Dead contract on your head
2) Leave Quellar = You change name to non Quellar.

As spying should only occur in these situations:
A) A familly member betray to gain power and ascend in rank, but remains in the familly
B) a servant of the Quellar (non noble, rothe, else) betray for money or other. But them we dont have any mecanism to allow acces to Quellar to non-noble, but that is easily solved through RP in center Szith! or near Actual Quellar.

Bottom line : NO SWITH QUELLAR. That is why we set some rules not too join too early AND make an Oath to Quellar!

My to gp on the subject
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